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- #43
querulant schrieb:
Actually, this war between America and Iraq was so very well done, that it will be studied for the next 100 years or more.
Seriously, in the last two weeks, the American military has broken all historical records. It is simply amazing to watch!
This reminds me of the brilliant Field Martial Rommel during WWII.
And yes, the military always respects another brilliant mind, no matter which side he was on.
The military might respect .....
But I'm not interested how nice and fast the "area" will be "cleaned". I'm more interested in the why's and more and more in the
WHY NOT STOP THIS BULLSHIT?
You should also think about how to stop the usa from ATTACKING iraq.
You want to defend yourself? Ok, then leave iraq and start giving the people something to eat.
You know why usa is attacking iraq?
Its because iraq was the first in the opec to sell its oil for euros, not for dollars any more... thats my opinion.
But I'm not interested how nice and fast the "area" will be "cleaned". I'm more interested in the why's and more and more in the
WHY NOT STOP THIS BULLSHIT?
You should also think about how to stop the usa from ATTACKING iraq.
You want to defend yourself? Ok, then leave iraq and start giving the people something to eat.
You know why usa is attacking iraq?
Its because iraq was the first in the opec to sell its oil for euros, not for dollars any more... thats my opinion.
limpirium
Geselle
- 6. Februar 2003
- 45
I'm not afraid to say, that the country I live in (Germany) made such business, if it is the truth. Even though I do not like what they did.Hunble schrieb:
Germany, France, Russia and others did business with Saddam. But also the USA.
I think you are afraid of the truth.
Try to take a look beyond the "truth" provided by your government or should I say the Ministry of Truth, and don't close your eyes, if you see something you don't like.
I can understand that it hurts to see that "the land of the free, the home of the brave" has some dirt and blood on it's hands. But if you ignore it, they'll never become clean.
I have to repeat it! (sorry)
George Orwell in the novel 1984 schrieb:
Read the book (1984 at amazon.com), you'll probably see how close it is to the reality right now and what that quote above does mean. But when I read your postings, I must say that I'm affraid you won't.
But I'm looking forward that you prove me wrong.
PAX
limpirium
Dunkles_Wesen
Lehrling
- 3. April 2003
- 4
querulant schrieb:
Thats only one of the many reasons. Another one is the child George W. Bush himself. He only can see as far as a pig can jump (and thats not so far !).
Did G.B. ever think of the consequences this war has for the western world? I don't think so...
In fact, in the iraq war, the will be only one winner. And this'll be Osama. He achived his goal. The muslem world now really hates the US and there will be more terrorist attacks agains US and "allies" in the next years. 9/11 was only the begining.
Its so sad...
Hi Hunble,
I looked up for you the English language version of Jones letter that has been posted in another thread. It would be a pity if you miss it.
Do not become unfair reproaching hatred to Franziskaner, it is true the world adores you less than what the Americans seem to expect but the anti-americanism here is less worse than your baffled media report.
So far no-one here has considered to rename "Amerikaner" (nice pastry although not as good as Brezel) into "paranoid, violent maniacs". Probably, it is too long.
Best regards,
Agarthe
Terry Jones
Sunday January 26, 2003
The Observer
I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's running out of patience. And so am I!
For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is.
As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.
Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours.
They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want!
And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened us.
That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.
Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.
Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves.
Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims?
It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe until I've wiped them all out.
My wife says I might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of the United States. That shuts her up.
Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come.
It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street.
I looked up for you the English language version of Jones letter that has been posted in another thread. It would be a pity if you miss it.
Do not become unfair reproaching hatred to Franziskaner, it is true the world adores you less than what the Americans seem to expect but the anti-americanism here is less worse than your baffled media report.
So far no-one here has considered to rename "Amerikaner" (nice pastry although not as good as Brezel) into "paranoid, violent maniacs". Probably, it is too long.
Best regards,
Agarthe
Terry Jones
Sunday January 26, 2003
The Observer
I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's running out of patience. And so am I!
For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is.
As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.
Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours.
They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want!
And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened us.
That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.
Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.
Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves.
Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims?
It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe until I've wiped them all out.
My wife says I might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of the United States. That shuts her up.
Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come.
It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street.
- Ersteller
- #48
1) You have nothing to be ashamed of. The German military has always been the perfect example of how to do it correctly.
2) If someone in your city was murdering people, and the police had to use "deadly force" to prevent any additional murders. Why do you attack the police for doing their job?
3) In America, people who attack the police and protect the person that has murderd others, is also just a guilty. Understand why?
2) If someone in your city was murdering people, and the police had to use "deadly force" to prevent any additional murders. Why do you attack the police for doing their job?
3) In America, people who attack the police and protect the person that has murderd others, is also just a guilty. Understand why?
- Ersteller
- #49
@Hunble: The reason why the USA started the war on iraq was that there COULD be any chemical or biological weapons in iraq. But WHERE ARE these weapons ? Every person who votes definitely NOT AGAINST this war must be narrow-minded in his opinion. Don't close your eyes about the true facts and take a look to those sites where you can find articles about it which were written by people with other opinions then yours.
My english isn't very good but I hope that you could understand me.
My english isn't very good but I hope that you could understand me.
- Ersteller
- #51
Praktiker schrieb:
Question: If you are wrong, can we drop the chemical and biological weapons that will be find in Iraq on Berlin and Paris?
Sir, after 9-11, Americans are no longer willing to take that chance. Can you understand why?
Question: If you know the companies that have sold the chemicals to Iraq required to produce chemical weapons.
If you know that Iraq has failed to explain how those chemicals were used for other purposes.
Sir, what would you conclude?
limpirium
Geselle
- 6. Februar 2003
- 45
Hunble schrieb:
Did she tell you to shut up? Where did you read this?
I think she want's you to think with you own brains once in a while, just to take off you "Stars and Stripes" glasses for minute.
And that was the intention of any body else in this thread. That has nothing to do with anti-americanism.
PAX
limpirium
limpirium
Geselle
- 6. Februar 2003
- 45
What's that for? What do you intend with statements like that? There lies some hatred in it, doesn't it?Hunble schrieb:
PAX
limpirium
JohnDiFool
Geheimer Meister
- 4. Februar 2003
- 239
I don`t know the companies.....but first of all it was Mr. Donald Rumsfeld who brought this weapons personally to his good friens Saddam Hussein.....today it`s different!
It was the Bush Family who made business over the past 20-30 Years with....the BinLadin-Family!
It ist the Carlyle Group who makes now billions with this war.....Chief? Old Man Bush...a bunch of old pentagons....former PrimeMinister Major......
I`m sure that you will "find" this weapons...right after you smuggeld it into the country......LIARS!
Hunble...if you`re soooo proud about this war and the fucking US-Administration....go on to Iraq to fight this "evil" regime, wich is exactly as evil as your own junta/regime! You are living in a Banana-Republic.................it`s just FUNNY and sad, nothing else! There is not much left to be proud of.......expect MichaelMoore, Zappa, MilesDavis,......
With a friendly....HAIL TO THE FUHRER BÜSH, and may God/Allah/Buddah/Shiva/Vishnu/Manitou..... send him some brain, heart and mind!
CARPE DIEM
JohnDiFoolIsDancingTheBoogieOfDeathOnTheNosepitOfMrBüsh
It was the Bush Family who made business over the past 20-30 Years with....the BinLadin-Family!
It ist the Carlyle Group who makes now billions with this war.....Chief? Old Man Bush...a bunch of old pentagons....former PrimeMinister Major......
I`m sure that you will "find" this weapons...right after you smuggeld it into the country......LIARS!
Hunble...if you`re soooo proud about this war and the fucking US-Administration....go on to Iraq to fight this "evil" regime, wich is exactly as evil as your own junta/regime! You are living in a Banana-Republic.................it`s just FUNNY and sad, nothing else! There is not much left to be proud of.......expect MichaelMoore, Zappa, MilesDavis,......
With a friendly....HAIL TO THE FUHRER BÜSH, and may God/Allah/Buddah/Shiva/Vishnu/Manitou..... send him some brain, heart and mind!
CARPE DIEM
JohnDiFoolIsDancingTheBoogieOfDeathOnTheNosepitOfMrBüsh
It was fun to see the glorious, bright American Image go down once again. Hope you learned something, Mr. Hunble.
It's nice and brave from you to tell us your opinion in a mostly german forum. But you must admit that there really is another side to america.
Now go out of your home and tell your friends, what others in the world think and dont listen to sources like this anymore:
http://www.truthnews.net/comment/2002_02_europe_whines.html
listen to this:
http://www.amnesty.org
It's nice and brave from you to tell us your opinion in a mostly german forum. But you must admit that there really is another side to america.
Now go out of your home and tell your friends, what others in the world think and dont listen to sources like this anymore:
http://www.truthnews.net/comment/2002_02_europe_whines.html
listen to this:
http://www.amnesty.org
Vondenburg
Vollkommener Meister
- 11. Februar 2003
- 519
@Hunble: Read this: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0304.marshall.html
This is an Article of the Washington Monthly. You don't need to agree with the author, but just take his arguments into account.
This is an Article of the Washington Monthly. You don't need to agree with the author, but just take his arguments into account.
HamsterofDeath
Geheimer Meister
- 18. März 2003
- 335
many humans are evil, because if one them is evil, the others have to be evil, or they will be slaves.
many humans are stupid. if there is one wrong opinion, and one of 30.000 gets it, 29.999 won't believe, because it's 29.999 to 1. thats the reason for the earth flatness in the past.
single humans are not stupid. if they change their minds to something completely different, no one will say "you are an idiot", nor will they be ashamed for believing the wrong in front of others. because there are no others.
single humans are not evil. why should they ? no one is attacking them, so there is no need for being evil.
thats why, in most cases, armys are used for wars. every soldier fears his own "friends", which makes it impossible for him not to fight. either fight the enemy, or fight your friends.
it will never happen that a whole army will say "we won't fight anymore".
this would be clever, but, as we know, "many humans are stupid".
if the complete iraqi army would have 5 soldiers, and the usa also would use 5, they would definetly not fight.
the formula to get the iq of humans in groups (2 or more) is :
(all iqs of all people)/(square(number of people))+(1/number of people)*(average iq)
so the iq of a division of 5.000 soldiers with an average iq of 100 is :
500.000 / 25.000.000 + (1/500)*100 = 0.22.
thats pretty low. i'll explain it : if everyone of these 5.000 soldiers wants to communicate with all others at the same time, it will end up in a mess.
the same works for non-verbal-communications. iq 0.22. this is the cause for all wars.
then, during a fight, soldiers only communicate with less people, because they are focussing their attention to other things. lets use the formula above with the value 5.
500 / 25 + (1/5)*100 = 40
at this iq-level, they realize that what they are doing is completly nuts, and the only thing they want now is just to go home. but they can't.
many humans are stupid. if there is one wrong opinion, and one of 30.000 gets it, 29.999 won't believe, because it's 29.999 to 1. thats the reason for the earth flatness in the past.
single humans are not stupid. if they change their minds to something completely different, no one will say "you are an idiot", nor will they be ashamed for believing the wrong in front of others. because there are no others.
single humans are not evil. why should they ? no one is attacking them, so there is no need for being evil.
thats why, in most cases, armys are used for wars. every soldier fears his own "friends", which makes it impossible for him not to fight. either fight the enemy, or fight your friends.
it will never happen that a whole army will say "we won't fight anymore".
this would be clever, but, as we know, "many humans are stupid".
if the complete iraqi army would have 5 soldiers, and the usa also would use 5, they would definetly not fight.
the formula to get the iq of humans in groups (2 or more) is :
(all iqs of all people)/(square(number of people))+(1/number of people)*(average iq)
so the iq of a division of 5.000 soldiers with an average iq of 100 is :
500.000 / 25.000.000 + (1/500)*100 = 0.22.
thats pretty low. i'll explain it : if everyone of these 5.000 soldiers wants to communicate with all others at the same time, it will end up in a mess.
the same works for non-verbal-communications. iq 0.22. this is the cause for all wars.
then, during a fight, soldiers only communicate with less people, because they are focussing their attention to other things. lets use the formula above with the value 5.
500 / 25 + (1/5)*100 = 40
at this iq-level, they realize that what they are doing is completly nuts, and the only thing they want now is just to go home. but they can't.
captainfuture
Großer Auserwählter
- 3. Juli 2002
- 1.902
Hunble schrieb:
yes we have. the german military brought death to millions of innocent people. just because someone spread the lie they would be a threat.
Hunble schrieb:
what about if your neighbor kills your wife and children and wants the police to arrest you, just because he is insane and afraid you could murder him ?
remember minority report ?
Hi Mr. Hunble
Is it necessary to the United States to send out 19 Year old Girls out to make War instead of Love? :-)
Can't understand that it's good and Humble to fight for freedom and democracy by this Way your President and his "Junta" does. It seems that the Iraquis don't want the American way of Live. I missed to see them waving and applouding when British and American Soldiers set her Troops in their own Country. A Country that belongs to THEM! If they want your freedom I would think they can get in on Your own if THEY want!
Did you have made a fleeting glimpse, who will have Advantage when War is over? Did you ever think about who will earn a lot of Money when it's "done"? The only thing you will get is a "safe America". Do you really think that it would be "save" after?
Let me tell you... think about what you will see in your TV. Think exactly if it's really the truth they tell you.
It's ok that you seem to search for answers, while posting your opinion in a german Board. Take the Chance to find out "the truth out there".
I don't hate any American... really not. But your President and the Others sitting in Oval Office are as dangerous as for example Saddam or eventually Hitler... Trust the Germans:-) We should know it best, in case of our own History. I get afraid of wat he can do to the Rest of the World... when he will not be stopped.
Am more afraid of it then getting killed by any kind of Terror Attack, because my own freedom and trust in democracy is going down when I see that money and Oil rules the Country you pray.
sincerely
Lilith
Is it necessary to the United States to send out 19 Year old Girls out to make War instead of Love? :-)
Can't understand that it's good and Humble to fight for freedom and democracy by this Way your President and his "Junta" does. It seems that the Iraquis don't want the American way of Live. I missed to see them waving and applouding when British and American Soldiers set her Troops in their own Country. A Country that belongs to THEM! If they want your freedom I would think they can get in on Your own if THEY want!
Did you have made a fleeting glimpse, who will have Advantage when War is over? Did you ever think about who will earn a lot of Money when it's "done"? The only thing you will get is a "safe America". Do you really think that it would be "save" after?
Let me tell you... think about what you will see in your TV. Think exactly if it's really the truth they tell you.
It's ok that you seem to search for answers, while posting your opinion in a german Board. Take the Chance to find out "the truth out there".
I don't hate any American... really not. But your President and the Others sitting in Oval Office are as dangerous as for example Saddam or eventually Hitler... Trust the Germans:-) We should know it best, in case of our own History. I get afraid of wat he can do to the Rest of the World... when he will not be stopped.
Am more afraid of it then getting killed by any kind of Terror Attack, because my own freedom and trust in democracy is going down when I see that money and Oil rules the Country you pray.
sincerely
Lilith
JohnDiFool
Geheimer Meister
- 4. Februar 2003
- 239
STANDING OVATIONS FOR LILITH!!!!
CARPE DIEM
JohnDerNarr
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